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Neteller confirms funds seizures
Neteller has confirmed reports circulating earlier this week that US authorities have seized funds related to US transactions.



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Neteller has confirmed reports circulating earlier this week that US authorities have seized funds related to US transactions.

In a statement released to the London Stock Exchange this morning, the payment processor said that the United States Attorney’s Office (USAO) had obtained court-ordered seizure warrants for “seizing funds pertaining to the group’s transactions”.

The company believes the amount to add up to no more than US$55m. It said the funds were largely in the process of being transferred from the group to its US customers or vice versa.

The company added that banks in the US have begun declining to permit transactions involving the group through accounts maintained at one or more clearing houses in the US.

Neteller said that the group’s legal advisors have met with representatives of the USAO for the Southern District of New York to clarify the group’s position with respect to the complaints brought on 16 January against Stephen Lawrence and John Lefebvre, the company’s founders.

In that meeting, Neteller pledged to cooperate with the USAO and indicated it was prepared to begin document production promptly and discussed a potential mechanism for arranging an orderly repayment of funds to US customers. It said discussions were ongoing.

Neteller added: “As a result of the restrictions placed by third parties, court-ordered seizures, and related legal concerns, the group is currently unable to make payments to US customers.”

It added that it was in discussions with the USAO about managing an orderly return of funds, under the aegis of a forensic accounting firm.
Ron Martin, chief executive of Neteller, said: “The return of funds to our US customers is a top priority.”

The company said that to its knowledge, no criminal action or proceeding had been brought against the group, its current officers, or directors by the USAO.

It added though: “Nevertheless, there can be no assurance that the group will not be charged in a criminal action at some subsequent time.”
The statement emphasised the group’s standard business practice of holding all customer funds in segregated accounts.

Neteller said it remained committed to developing its business in line with its stated strategic objectives. It added that since the withdrawal from the US market on 18 January, average daily new account sign-ups of new customers from non-US markets had been around 1,400. This compares with a figure for the year to December, 2006 or 3,303. Daily fee revenue since the same date has averaged over $200,000 per day.

The company said its shares would remain suspended while the continued uncertainty persisted.
 

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Press Release
NETELLER Works to Return Funds to US Customers After US Withdrawal


8 February 2007 - NETELLER Plc (LSE: NLR), the leading global independent online money transfer business, today issued the following update with regard to its US business and criminal charges against two of its founders.

On 19 January 2007, at the request of the Group, the Group’s legal advisers met with representatives of the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York (“USAO”) to clarify the Group’s position with respect to the complaints brought on 16 January 2007 against two of the Group’s founders, Mr. Stephen Lawrence and Mr. John Lefebvre. Neither are current employees or directors of NETELLER. In that meeting, the Group pledged to cooperate with the USAO, indicated it was prepared to begin document production promptly and discussed a potential mechanism for arranging an orderly repayment of funds to US customers.

The discussions between the Group’s legal advisers and the USAO are ongoing. The Group is, under advice of its legal advisers, commencing production of documents and intends to cooperate with the USAO in its investigation.

Following upon the complaints dated 16 January 2007, banks in the US began declining to permit transactions involving the Group through accounts maintained at one or more automated clearinghouses in the United States. Additionally, the Group has been advised that the USAO has obtained court-ordered seizure warrants seizing funds pertaining to the Group’s transactions. To the best of the Group’s knowledge, it believes that the amount of funds seized by the USAO or otherwise restricted by third parties does not exceed US$ 55 million. These funds were largely in the process of being transferred from the Group to its US customers or vice versa.

As a result of the restrictions placed by third parties, court-ordered seizures, and related legal concerns, the Group is currently unable to make payments to US customers. Nevertheless, the Group is in discussions with the USAO to manage an orderly return of funds to US customers. As part of these discussions, it is contemplated that the USAO will engage a forensic accounting firm, at the Group’s expense, to assist in this process and to examine the Group’s financial position. “The return of funds to our US customers is a top priority for NETELLER” said Ron Martin, Group President and CEO. US customers wishing to withdraw funds from their NETELLER e-wallet accounts will experience ongoing delays while these discussions continue, and a further update will be provided by the Group once effective repayment mechanisms are determined.

To the Group’s knowledge, no criminal action or proceeding has been brought against the Group, its current officers or directors by the USAO. Nevertheless, there can be no assurance that the Group will not be charged in a criminal action at some subsequent time. The Group intends to work with the USAO to seek a negotiated resolution of any allegations relating to its US activities. Any resolution of this matter may lead to potential sanctions against the Group including material financial penalties, fines and forfeitures.

It is emphasized that in line with the Group’s standard business practices for all customers, funds held by the Group for US customers are held in segregated trust accounts. The Group’s own cash position remains strong and the Group currently has sufficient working capital to fund all its customers’ balances as well as ongoing requirements of the business.

NETELLER remains committed to developing its business in line with its stated strategic objectives including geographical and product diversification for all markets. The Group will focus on its continuing business and the opportunities available in the growing markets of Europe, Asia and the Americas outside of the United States. Since the Group’s withdrawal from the US market on 18 January 2007, average daily new account sign-ups of new customers from non-US markets has been around 1,400. This compares to average daily sign ups of 3,303 for the year to 31 December 2006. Daily fee revenue since 18 January 2007 has averaged over US$ 200,000 per day (excluding any revenues from Netbanx, 1-Pay and interest income). These metrics demonstrate the resilience of the Group's ongoing business. NETELLER customers not resident in the US continue to be minimally affected by this withdrawal from the US market.

In view of the continuing uncertainty, the Group's shares will continue to be suspended from trading on AIM for the time being. Further announcements will be made as appropriate.


Basically Neteller is admitting that they've knowing been lying all along. They knew as far back as Jan 16th, that they couldn't process payouts, yet they instructed their clerks to tell us there are delays due to volume.
 

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The news of $55 million seized was maybe taken from the Reuters report.

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NETeller funds seized in U.S. gaming sting
Thu Feb 8, 2007 12:12 PM GMT

By Pete Harrison
LONDON (Reuters) - Payment processor NETeller said on Thursday U.S. prosecutors had seized funds, stopping U.S. customers from accessing their money, the latest move in an online gaming sting.
NETeller <NLR.L>, which quit the United States last month after authorities arrested its two founders, said it was cooperating with an investigation by the United States Attorney's Office (USAO) for the Southern District of New York.
"The amount of funds seized by the USAO or otherwise restricted by third parties does not exceed $55 million (28 million pounds)," said NETeller, which abandoned 65 percent of its business by quitting the United States.
The move is the latest in a U.S. crackdown on online gaming, which began with the arrest of BETonSPORTS' <BSS.L> Scottish Chief Executive David Carruthers in Texas last July.
An industry source earlier told Reuters, "It's not NETeller stopping customers getting to their cash. It's the FBI."
Canadian founders, Stephen Lawrence, 46, and John Lefebvre, 55, have been charged with handling billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds. Both face a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.
"As a result of the restrictions placed by third parties, court-ordered seizures, and related legal concerns, the group is currently unable to make payments to U.S. customers," said NETeller.
The FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office were not immediately available. A recent article in USA Today quoted FBI Agent Neil Donovan saying funds from NETeller are being held in court as potential evidence. Some customers may get their money back, he was quoted as saying, but did not provide a timetable.
The legality of Internet gambling in the United States was ambiguous for many years, but it was effectively banned last October when U.S. President George W. Bush signed legislation outlawing gaming financial transactions.
The big UK stock market-listed companies pulled out just ahead of the ban, although some privately owned Web sites such as Bodog.com and Pokerstars continued to take wagers through payment processors.
"U.S. customers wishing to withdraw funds from their NETeller e-wallet accounts will experience ongoing delays," said the group.
"The return of funds to our U.S. customers is a top priority for NETeller," said Chief Executive Ron Martin.
NETeller requested its shares be suspended in January, just after the arrests. The two founders are scheduled to attend a New York court hearing on February 14.
 

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I still don't understand how they could seize the funds. That is crazy. Let people get their money back at least. This gov't sucks, I hate to say it.
 

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Correction, looks like most of the news is drawn from today's press release from NETeller.

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NETELLER Works to Return Funds to US Customers After US Withdrawal


8 February 2007 - NETELLER Plc (LSE: NLR), the leading global independent online money transfer business, today issued the following update with regard to its US business and criminal charges against two of its founders.
On 19 January 2007, at the request of the Group, the Group’s legal advisers met with representatives of the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York (“USAO”) to clarify the Group’s position with respect to the complaints brought on 16 January 2007 against two of the Group’s founders, Mr. Stephen Lawrence and Mr. John Lefebvre. Neither are current employees or directors of NETELLER. In that meeting, the Group pledged to cooperate with the USAO, indicated it was prepared to begin document production promptly and discussed a potential mechanism for arranging an orderly repayment of funds to US customers.
The discussions between the Group’s legal advisers and the USAO are ongoing. The Group is, under advice of its legal advisers, commencing production of documents and intends to cooperate with the USAO in its investigation.
Following upon the complaints dated 16 January 2007, banks in the US began declining to permit transactions involving the Group through accounts maintained at one or more automated clearinghouses in the United States. Additionally, the Group has been advised that the USAO has obtained court-ordered seizure warrants seizing funds pertaining to the Group’s transactions. To the best of the Group’s knowledge, it believes that the amount of funds seized by the USAO or otherwise restricted by third parties does not exceed US$ 55 million. These funds were largely in the process of being transferred from the Group to its US customers or vice versa.
As a result of the restrictions placed by third parties, court-ordered seizures, and related legal concerns, the Group is currently unable to make payments to US customers. Nevertheless, the Group is in discussions with the USAO to manage an orderly return of funds to US customers. As part of these discussions, it is contemplated that the USAO will engage a forensic accounting firm, at the Group’s expense, to assist in this process and to examine the Group’s financial position. “The return of funds to our US customers is a top priority for NETELLER” said Ron Martin, Group President and CEO. US customers wishing to withdraw funds from their NETELLER e-wallet accounts will experience ongoing delays while these discussions continue, and a further update will be provided by the Group once effective repayment mechanisms are determined.
To the Group’s knowledge, no criminal action or proceeding has been brought against the Group, its current officers or directors by the USAO. Nevertheless, there can be no assurance that the Group will not be charged in a criminal action at some subsequent time. The Group intends to work with the USAO to seek a negotiated resolution of any allegations relating to its US activities. Any resolution of this matter may lead to potential sanctions against the Group including material financial penalties, fines and forfeitures.
It is emphasized that in line with the Group’s standard business practices for all customers, funds held by the Group for US customers are held in segregated trust accounts. The Group’s own cash position remains strong and the Group currently has sufficient working capital to fund all its customers’ balances as well as ongoing requirements of the business.
NETELLER remains committed to developing its business in line with its stated strategic objectives including geographical and product diversification for all markets. The Group will focus on its continuing business and the opportunities available in the growing markets of Europe, Asia and the Americas outside of the United States. Since the Group’s withdrawal from the US market on 18 January 2007, average daily new account sign-ups of new customers from non-US markets has been around 1,400. This compares to average daily sign ups of 3,303 for the year to 31 December 2006. Daily fee revenue since 18 January 2007 has averaged over US$ 200,000 per day (excluding any revenues from Netbanx, 1-Pay and interest income). These metrics demonstrate the resilience of the Group's ongoing business. NETELLER customers not resident in the US continue to be minimally affected by this withdrawal from the US market.
In view of the continuing uncertainty, the Group's shares will continue to be suspended from trading on AIM for the time being. Further announcements will be made as appropriate.

About the NETELLER Group


Trusted by millions of consumers in over 160 countries to move and manage billions of dollars each year, the NETELLER Group operates the largest independent online money transfer business in the world. The Group specializes in providing innovative and instant payment services where money transfer is difficult or risky due to identity, trust, currency exchange, or distance. Being independent has allowed the Group to support thousands of retailers and merchants in many geographies and across multiple industries.
The Group is quoted on the London Stock Exchange’s AIM market, with a ticker symbol of NLR. NETELLER (UK) Limited is authorised by the Financial Services Authority (FSA) to operate as a regulated e-money issuer. For more information about the Group visit www.netellergroup.com.
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patswin said:
I still don't understand how they could seize the funds.

The USAO had obtained court-ordered seizure warrants and scooped up nearly $55 million in those pending EFTs from around January 16-19.

While NETeller has not been charged, the negotiations under threat of charges, may lead to a paid settlement similar to PayPal. Its a simple business decision as to whether the payment extorted is sufficiently low to make it worthwhile for the problem to go away, compared with the costs of a long drawn out legal fight.

US clients should hope for a negotiated settlement, since that will lead to a quicker return of funds.

The rest of the world is pissed off with the DOJ screwing legitimate business.
 
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As part of these discussions, it is contemplated that the USAO will engage a forensic accounting firm, at the Group’s expense, to assist in this process and to examine the Group’s financial position.

For those who don't pay taxes, this is the scary part. For those who do, there should be nothing to worry about.
 

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I don't understand why Neteller has even responded.

My response would have been, we no longer do business in the US (You have made it impossible), we are not under your jurisdiction, we have X$ in US funds making interest, and we will return it when you allow us to do so. Have a nice day.

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Forensic accounting has nothing to do with the IRS.



The IRS could pour through every bank acct in the country but they do not due to costs. Pouring through 500,000 Neteller accounts and figuring out what people owe would take years and years... You have wins, losses, P2P, reups, withdrawals, payments for non gambling, etc etc... Then you have to compare all that with millions of returns... Many of which just report a number and provide no records... Simply not worth it (Most people lose gambling and do so substantially - the IRS knows this)



Forensic accounting has to do with analyzing the total numbers and figuring out a reasonable fine for the court.



http://www.forensicaccounting.com/one.htm#start
 

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wow interesting read sean...lots of people , im seeing ,have no idea what they are talking about but they post anyway without researching

..thanks for shedding light at times over the Alarmism and fear that has gripped this forum for the past 3 months
 

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Our government is nothing but a bunch of arrogant bullies. Is it any wonder hatred for us continues to grow around the world.
 

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PunkerPS said:
It added that since the withdrawal from the US market on 18 January, average daily new account sign-ups of new customers from non-US markets had been around 1,400. This compares with a figure for the year to December, 2006 or 3,303.

What a poorly written paragraph. I'm confused, did they say that non-US signups have increased or decreased?

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Since the Group’s withdrawal from the US market on 18 January 2007, average daily new account sign-ups of new customers from non-US markets has been around 1,400. This compares to average daily sign ups of 3,303 for the year to 31 December 2006.

Well, this repost of the article makes it somewhat clearer, although still leaves muddled whether the 3303 signups/day includes U.S. signups, therefore still failing to answer whether their non-US business is growing or suffering.
 

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Adam, thoughout 2006 NETeller was signing 3,303 new accounts daily.

Now they are averaging about 1,400 daily. This is 42% of the former rate and reflects the health of the company and their marketing in Europe and Asia, given that about 65% of their base was US clients.

The company is quite viable.
 

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It reflects a lot more than their marketing in Asia... Before about 80-85% of sign ups were from the US. That's eliminated and now they are at 42%... Draw your own hypothesis. That 1400 will decrease over the next few months.

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Alot of people used other means of depositing as well so I really doubt the IRS is going to look too close into this..
 

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